Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan

BBC is reporting that Senator Obama has arrived in Afghanistan. Other than Afghanistan he is planning to visit Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Germany, France and Britain.

US Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has arrived in Afghanistan, at the start of a campaign-season international tour. The countries he is also expected to visit include Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Germany, France and Britain.The Illinois senator flew to the Afghan capital, Kabul, as part of an official congressional delegation.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7515 179.stm

Check the time on AP News. MyDD beats AP on the Breaking News?? AP Link



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Re: Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan (2.00 / 2)

So McCain was right, Obama is hitting Iraq tomorrow. Nice job, dude. Granted, he went to Afghanistan first and it could be inferred when he'd be going to Iraq from there, but it's still a big breach of intelligence.

Wonder how Larry Johnson feels about that one. Seems like McCain could easily repeat the Valerie Plame affair. Not on purpose, just because he'd forget and his people would be devoid enough of morality to let him do it.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:04:09 AM EST

That's absolutely crazy. Whoever did that (none / 0)

release from the McCain campaign had breached the security.


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:07:34 AM EST
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Re: That's absolutely crazy. Whoever did that (2.00 / 3)

It was McCain himself, at a public Republican fund-raiser:


DETROIT (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain commented on Friday on the unannounced timing of a high-security trip by Barack Obama to Iraq, saying he believed his Democratic rival was going this weekend.

[...]

"I believe that either today or tomorrow -- and I'm not privy to his schedule -- Sen. Obama will be landing in Iraq with some other senators" who make up a congressional delegation, McCain said at a Republican fund-raiser.

McCain says Obama trip to Iraq may be soon Reuters 19 Jul 08

Pretty foolish, really, considering the double-standard which would apply if the situation were reversed.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:14:35 AM EST
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The Man lost his mind ? Why did he do that? (none / 0)

That's completely insane..


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:15:53 AM EST
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Re: The Man lost his mind ? Why did he do that? (none / 0)

Well, the reason you didn't hear about it is that, so far, only Reuters, and the blogs, are even mentioning it.  McCain raised the subject so he could say this, ironically:


"Sen. Obama is going to arrive in Baghdad in a much, much safer and secure environment than the one that he would've encountered before we started the surge," McCain said, referring to a boost in U.S. troop numbers in Iraq that began last year.

McCain says Obama trip to Iraq may be soon Reuters 19 Jul 08

Ironic, isn't it?  Not so safe for having been publicly discussed, though.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:21:46 AM EST
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Absolutely right..I cursorily read it somewhere.. (none / 0)

thought it was a McCain Staff. But I'm amazed that McCain himself would do such a security breach. No offense Senator McCain, your claim to security credentials look pathetic now..


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:25:11 AM EST
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Re: Absolutely right..I cursorily read it somewher (2.00 / 1)

I can't believe he has been given so many foreign policy passes lately.  Czechoslovakia?  Imagine if Obama had said that.  Twice.

And on Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan the whole Republican position is strangely morphing to resemble Obama's long-standing policies.  They are going to have their hands full doing 'smoke and mirrors' on all of that.  But the media seems willing to stand there with there collective mouths agape and nod.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:32:34 AM EST
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I don't know what the Republican policies (none / 0)

are currently..excepting I hear rumblings of "bomb bomb Iran..." Yesterday on NPR On-point program they were discussing that this is a serious issue when Admiral Mullen already visiting Israel atleast three times. He warned that opening of a third front in Iran is going to be very difficult for the military..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main. jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/07/04/do0405.xml

I'm wondering whether the bombing would be our October surprise...


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:41:04 AM EST
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Re: I don't know what the Republican policies (2.00 / 1)

I doubt it, we just sent our third highest-ranking diplomat to talks with Iran and Ali Khamenei has been giving broad hints that Iran is willing to negotiate their program:


ISTANBUL -- Iran's foreign minister said on Friday that his country was open to discussing the establishment by the Bush administration of the first American diplomatic presence in Tehran since relations were severed nearly three decades ago.

The minister, Manouchehr Mottaki, welcomed as a "positive step" the administration's decision to send a senior American official to participate in international talks with Iran this weekend, and said he expected the talks to make progress.

Sebnem Arsu - Iran Open to U.S. Diplomatic Talks, Official Says NYT 19 Jul 08

If we do attack we better get them to tape the windows in our new embassy.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:58:01 AM EST
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I know Burns is talking to Iran. But the speakers (none / 0)

at the program were talking about Israel is getting ready for unilateral action in Iran. And they don't have high regards for our State Dept. and think the European effort for past five years on Iran's nuclear ambitions is a failure.


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:02:12 AM EST
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Re: I know Burns is talking to Iran. But the speak (2.00 / 1)

Well, I have a lot of respect for Isreal's capacity for unilateral action but I just can't see them trying to pull something like this without at least tacit US consent.  And I am personally convinced that a non-nuclear attack would be pretty unlikely to strike the Iranian nuclear development facilities.

Let's be realistic here, the Iranians don't actually have a nuclear capability yet.  Pretty hard to justify a pre-emptive nuclear strike on that basis.  Osirak was a different sort of target, which is why the Khan enrichment technology was the alternative of choice for rogue developers.  It's way underground.  Check it out.

I reckon that Gates and Rice have succeeded in standing down the threat in our own government, I can't see Israel acting unilaterally at this stage in Iran's development program given the necessity of employing nuclear munitions.  Do you think they would dare?


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:27:33 AM EST
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Re: I know Burns is talking to Iran. But the speak (none / 0)

I think you make a very sound argument and thanks for the link. My only question is, do you think that bush will go against Gates and Rice. I have been hearing that if Obama wins, bush will attack Iran. I am hoping that this is total bullshit.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 05:00:29 PM EST
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Re: I know Burns is talking to Iran. But the speak (none / 0)

I think that is 'sabre-rattling' from the now weakened neo-conservative noise-machine and trouble-making from the Vice-president's office.  Let's not forget that a pre-emptive nuclear strike, which I am arguing is the only way to guarantee an enforced halt to the Iranian nuclear program, requires the consent of the SECDEF and the President based on the current OPLAN.  It's as simple as that.

If Israel goes it alone, well, that's a big gamble they are taking.  I think it is mere bluff to get the Europeans to twist arms a little harder on sanctions, frankly.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 06:08:45 PM EST
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Re: I know Burns is talking to Iran. But the speak (none / 0)

"I reckon that Gates and Rice have succeeded in standing down the threat in our own government"

You are probably right here and I do not think bush has much, if any support from the military to go into Iran.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 05:03:05 PM EST
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Re: I know Burns is talking to Iran. But the speak (none / 0)

Me neither, from SECDEF on down.  Remember Fallon?  He committed career hari-kiri on much the same point and don't forget it would have been his command which would have delivered the blow.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 06:10:32 PM EST
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MSM love affair for Straight Talk Express is (none / 0)

still on, thus the Vietnam hero McCain still gets such blatant passes from the media.


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:42:49 AM EST
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Re: The Man lost his mind ? Why did he do that? (none / 0)

McCain is out of his mind. Telling the world when our next President and some Senators will be arriving shows his "experience" has diminished.


by Politicalslave on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:58:20 AM EST
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Re: The Man lost his mind ? Why did he do that? (none / 0)

Yeah, but hardly a whisper of this in the media.  That's the challenge we face and we have to keep reiterating these points mercilessly.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:03:16 AM EST
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Re: The Man lost his mind ? Why did he do that? (none / 0)

One thought - Obama is not in Iraq yet - so maybe the media is MORE security aware than McCain for a change....

I hope they talk about this AFTER he lands/leaves


by lolo08 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:47:49 AM EST
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Re: Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan (2.00 / 2)

Are you serious? I didn't realize. You mean McCain said that Obama was going to Iraq? WTF!?!?!?


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:11:55 AM EST
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Re: Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan (2.00 / 1)

I haven't been watching much news lately, but if McCain did foreshadow BHO's Middle East and Asian tour today, we need to flood CNN and MSNBC with cries of outrage. Is that crazy old bastard trying to get BHO killed?


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:29:49 AM EST
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Re: Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the post louisprandtl, I will watch his progress. I am sending positive and hopeful thoughts his way.

Just curious, are you a total night owl (like me)?
;-)


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:08:43 AM EST

Yep..the security situation became more (none / 0)

worrisome with the stupid thoughtless action from McCain releasing his travel information.

I'm not much of a sleeper..mostly work and surf late..:)
What are you upto this late?


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:13:07 AM EST
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Re: Yep..the security situation became more (none / 0)

Surfing and watching a dumb movie. I really should go to bed, I have too much to do in 5 or 6 hours.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:18:57 AM EST
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Ha...You can always start early..Talking about (none / 0)

movies, supposedly Batman's new movie Dark Knight is gathering rave reviews..expected to break records this weekend..


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:21:32 AM EST
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Re: Ha...You can always start early..Talking about (none / 0)

I usually wait for DVD, but might consider going, if it is really good. Oh and if I can convince Ani to go with me. Heh. I liked Batman Begins, but she fell asleep 30 minutes into the movie. I would actually like to see Mama Mia, but when I brought it up to her, she got a bit green. We both are somewhat frightened by musicals. I tried to tell her that Meryl Streep is supposed to be wonderful in it, but she isn't buying my story.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:27:29 AM EST
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Is that the one with ABBA (can't type reverse B) (none / 0)

songs? Not sure about musicals..


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:35:27 AM EST
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Yes, ABBA (2.00 / 1)

It quacks like a musical. The commercial has everyone singing, including Meryl. It looks very sweet and I have a secret fondness for ABBA.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:39:08 AM EST
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Voulez Vous..Take it or leave it..Ah-ha.. (none / 0)

haha..


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:47:56 AM EST
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Re: Yep..the security situation became more (2.00 / 3)

If it is only thoughtless, it is beyond belief. Otherwise, I hate to even go there... If the situation were reversed, Obama would be labled a traitor.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:21:49 AM EST
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Isn't it sad how the Right gets a pass on security (2.00 / 1)

breaches while they throw all sorts of labels against liberals/progressives.


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:26:51 AM EST
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Media=fail (2.00 / 1)

The right seems to get a pass on everything. Thus, my new tagline. I was listening to music today and heard this song. It still seems so applicable to Presidential elections in our country.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:35:38 AM EST
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Pushback time... (2.00 / 3)

Consider this and let's hope it takes hold:


As you know, I occasionally do posts suggesting taunting that newspaper beat reporters recognize a campaign trend that hasn't yet distilled into the media narrative. But here I think the trend is becoming so unmistakable that I'm really starting to wonder.

Over the last ten days or so, the President and the McCain campaign (who are clearly working in coordination, as they're entirely entitled to do) have been systematically drawing back from their positions on Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran and either fully embracing or moving toward those held for some time by Barack Obama.

[...]

McCain and now the White House (via the DOD) are moving toward more US troops in Afghanistan -- a position they've each long opposed and which Obama has been on record in support of for at least a year.

Bush and McCain have each also in different ways tried to nudge closer to Obama's position on withdrawing troops from Iraq. The key shoe falling today is President Bush's embrace of a "time horizon" for withdrawing troops from Iraq. Meanwhile, McCain's declaration of military victory in Iraq seems very much like an effort to get people thinking the troops are coming home soon within the conceptual architecture of his professed goals in Iraq.

And finally Iran. I'm not certain what McCain himself has said about Iran in recent days. But over recent months a key line of attack from the president and John McCain has been that Obama is a latter-day Neville Chamberlain for saying we should negotiate with Iran. And now over recent days we've learned that the White House is sending one of its top diplomats to negotiate directly with Iran's nuclear negotiator.

[...]

But when the spin is wiped away, for all the scrutiny and hand-wringing about the nuances about Obama's 16 months, there's simply no denying that all the real movement at this point in the campaign shows Bush/McCain trying to nudge closer to the ground Obama already holds.

Josh Marshall - Will They Notice? TPM 18 Jul 08

I think this is a very significant point and can't be repeated often enough.  We are already winning the psychological foreign policy battle in the minds of our opponents.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:50:33 AM EST
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With things turning sour in Afghanistan (none / 0)

and the real Al-Qaida led by Bin Laden and Al-Jawahiri running amok in Pakistan and Afghanistan's Pashtun regions, McCain sensed where Barack is going to hit him hard on. His position in Iraq is untenable despite his bravado. Thus he is moving towards acceptance of Obama's position of increasing focus in Afghanistan.


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:58:35 AM EST
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Re: With things turning sour in Afghanistan (2.00 / 1)

Exactly, I've been meaning to write a big fat diary on the Pakistan/Afghanistan nexus but there doesn't seem a lot of interest on ol' MyDD these days.  Afghanistan is going very sour and the Pashtun/Taliban revival in Pakistan is lapping at Peshawar.  We are in deeper trouble than we care to admit, just now.

But as for domestic politics the best we can do is keep ourselves well-informed.  I have dozens of foreign press RSS feeds and they offer a dramatically different view to the one we get Stateside.  That's basically why I have been behind Obama from day one, he talks like he 'gets' it.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:37:00 AM EST
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Please write it. I'm highly interested in (none / 0)

reading such diaries. I'm sure there are enough readers who are interested.  


by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:28:54 PM EST
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Re: With things turning sour in Afghanistan (none / 0)

Yes. Please write this. I would be very interested.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 04:44:46 PM EST
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Re: Pushback time... (none / 0)

Time horizon. Wow. It is very telling that they are moving to Obama's position. Very telling indeed. Thanks for the link.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:02:36 AM EST
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Re: Pushback time... (2.00 / 1)

Now that he's already over there, perhaps the Obama campaign could publicly admonish McCain today for compromising Barack Obama's security by sharing his time horizon with everyone.

I do think SOME Democrat well-versed in sarcasm (Dean? Biden?) should talk about this stupid backwards-ass way to say timetable. Emblematic of all that has been wrong with Bush. "Look, we'll pull out according to a schedule, but we need you to call it a time horizon instead of a timetable so that we don't look bad in our press."


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:11:11 AM EST
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They aren't even trying because they don't have to (none / 0)

Yeah, I think Biden would be an excellent choice to chastise McCain. In regards to the "Time Horizon", doesn't the media see what a lame imitation this is?


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:23:24 AM EST
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Re: Pushback time... (none / 0)

That's largely why I would be delighted to see Biden as the VP choice if it happened.  We need to turn this 'national security' narrative around for a generation, not just one election.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:38:45 AM EST
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Re: Pushback time... (none / 0)

Personally I would like to see him as SOS. I am still hoping that HRC will be tapped for VP.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 04:29:32 PM EST
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Re: Pushback time... (2.00 / 1)

Emanuel Rahm made a strong statement recently on these topics which managed to see some daylight on ABC's newsdesk:


House Democratic Caucus Chair Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., today claimed that President Bush (not to mention Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.) are following the lead of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, in foreign policy.

"Who is leading who on foreign policy?" asked Emanuel in a statement. "The Bush administration is right to follow Senator Obama's lead by engaging in diplomatic efforts with Iran, cracking down on Al Qaeda, and supporting additional troops in Afghanistan.  But in every case, it's politics first, policy second - first the Bush administration and Senator McCain play political games, and then they decide to do the right thing and follow Senator Obama's lead."

Jake Tapper - Rahm: Bush and McCain Are Following Obama's Foreign Policy Lead ABC 17 Jul 08

The article is well documented with numerous links which is well worth exploring further.  We have to get this message up into the public view, because it is true and important.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:12:25 AM EST
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Obama's Policy Lead? (1.00 / 1)

Obama is a naif in foreign policy, and until he became a serious candidate he displayed little interest in its intricacies.

According to the Washington Post, our embassy in Iraq hosts many US legislators.  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2008/07/17/AR2008071703007. html  Interesting to me is the list of the most frequent visitors -- legislators who tried to keep on top of things by visiting on a continual basis.  The leaders -- Chris Shays of CT (16), Jack Reed of RI (11), Jim Marshall of GA (11), Carl Levin of MI (9), Joe Wilson of SC (9), and John McCain (8).  Obama is at (1).

Let's talk about Obama now getting interested in Afghanistan, whereas he never was before.  Even Biden criticized him for it. Biden is now defending Obama:

In a letter to Obama earlier this week, McCain-backing Sen. Jim DeMint R- SC, wrote, "With oversight of NATO relations and its role in Afghanistan, I believe it is time for us to focus closely on these issues," DeMint wrote, suggesting a meeting of the subcommittee upon Obama's return from a much anticipated trip abroad.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden, D-Del., had previously told Meet the Press that "the reason Obama didn't hold a hearing on NATO, I chair the committee. Every one of those committee hearings are held at full committee."

But today Biden decided to take his defense of Obama one step further, writing to DeMint that there have been plenty of hearings on European Affairs, they've just been held at the "full committee level."

"On the particular issue of NATO's mission in Afghanistan," Biden wrote, "We have held three Full Committee hearings in the last 22 months . . .

Jake Tapper, who compiled this info, noted:

But Biden's letter brought attention to the fact that Obama did not attend two of those three hearings -- and for the third, on March 8, 2007, Obama only asked one question, one unrelated to Afghanistan.

How do I know the latter fact? From an August 2007 press release from Biden himself, when he was running for president.

"BIDEN CAMPAIGN CONGRATULATES SEN. OBAMA FOR JOHNNY-COME-LATELY POSITION," it read. Noting that at the March 2007 hearing, "Sen. Obama asked one question that was unrelated to Taliban or Afghanistan."

Thanks, Joe!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/07/thanks-for-noth.html

Politico had more of the story on Biden's "Before he was nominated" criticism: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 807/Biden_Obama_stole_my_ideas.html

Sen. Biden has been talking about this for over 6 months. Dating back to January 5th, Sen. Biden said America Should Surge Troops in Afghanistan. He told the Washington Post, "If we're surging troops anywhere, it should be in Afghanistan," Biden said. Adding troops there would give the United States "the moral high ground" in its quest for more forces from NATO allies. [Washington Post, 1/5/07]

"We find it a little disingenuous that Sen. Obama is hailing this as a new bold initiative when he has neglected to join his colleagues in the Senate when the opportunities have been there to redirect our forces into Afghanistan" said Biden for President Campaign Manager Luis Navarro. "It's good to see Sen. Obama has finally arrived at the right position, but this can hardly be considered bold leadership."

So it looks like Biden outed Obama a while back.  I'm sure the GOP will use this in its post-convention a

Another reason to ditch Obama and back Hillary at the convention.


by strongerthandirt on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:14:23 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Policy Lead? (none / 0)

The question Obama asked was about Pakistan, which is shown now to be all the more relevant.  The only complaint you have about Obama's position was that he wasn't the first to articulate it?  Nothing so clever as Hillary and her 'obliterate them' comment regarding Iran, eh?  Now that, I'll admit, was a pioneering point of view.  Sheesh.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:25:19 AM EST
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Re: Obama's Policy Lead? (none / 0)

Last I checked, knowing which advice to take and who to listen to was a stellar quality in a President. I'd take one of those over someone who is well-versed in all sorts of areas any day.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:01:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

CTRL+V FTW (none / 0)

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/7/18/1 11540/318/47#47


by JJE on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:36:24 AM EST
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Re: Pushback time... (2.00 / 1)

Consider an expert opinion on the same subjects, this is Richard Clarke, chief counter-terrorism adviser on the Clinton U.S. National Security Council. Under Bush he continued in the same position until his retirement in January 2003, serving as a member of the Senior Executive Service, specializing in intelligence, cyber security and counter-terrorism.:



by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:50:57 AM EST
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Richard Clark (2.00 / 2)

is so right:

"After the bush administration criticized Sen. Obama's National Security amatureness they have followed his advice on four occassions.'


Motley Moose, Troll Free Blogging
by chrisblask on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:24:53 AM EST
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US MSM is mostly useless..thus I look (2.00 / 1)

around the World News Organizations for information.
BTW did you hear Markos's comment at NetRoots..he is saying the blogs are part of "mainstream media" today and referring to MSM as traditional media..interesting take on the media analysis.
by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:50:35 AM EST
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Re: US MSM is mostly useless..thus I look (2.00 / 1)

I totally agree that blogs are part of the MSM, and even more, I think that television news will need to move into the internet in order to remain relevant. They are already starting to fall off the edge.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:07:08 AM EST
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Re: Media=fail (none / 0)

That just happens to be one of the best songs ever sung by Linda Perry (4 Non Blondes). She says she was influenced by janis Joplin - but she is more talented than several Joplins. She rarely performs, but when she does it's a major event. She co-wrote and produced a lot of Pink and Christine Aguilera's Beautiful.  I just don't think there is anyone better than her.

McCain is a lying manipulative asshole who intentionally leaked the information about Obama's trip. I watched him twist words into self-propaganda last on Conan. We're discussing a man without integrity. Remember that.


John McCain is a liar. Erratic, poor judgment.
by Jeter on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:42:34 PM EST
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Re: Media=fail (none / 0)

I bought their CD back in the early 90's and it remains one of my favorites of all time. Linda Perry is simply awesome. I agree with your entire post.


The Moose is on the loose. "And I scream at the top of my lungs, what's going on?"
by Hollede on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 04:22:33 PM EST
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Even worse (none / 0)

I think McCain, if you asked him in an official capacity, would not be sorry one whit for giving that information out. In private, probably would, but that's the kind of person he has decided to become as a candidate.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:04:36 AM EST
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The Rightwing normally has a laser like focus (none / 0)

on Power. Thus they had been successful in winning the WH so many times despite majority of Americans not being on their side.
McCain is a typical conservative. He doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he gets to the end goal of achieving Power...
by louisprandtl on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:09:16 AM EST
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Re: Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan (none / 0)


"He's welcome to our war-torn city," said Habibullah Hamdard, a 42-year-old teacher. "If he has loved his children, he should love the Afghan children who are dying around the country every day. The white guy couldn't do anything, let's see what the black guy can do."

Nahal Toosi - Obama Arrives in Afghanistan Time 19 Jul 08

You said it.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:48:14 AM EST

Re: Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan (none / 0)

Nice link.  Thanks.  I'm guessing you just missed the al Maliki quote and are just waking up to that bit of news.  Josh Marshall has a glowing (for Obama) comment to read.  

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/20 4740.php

Tomorrow's news shows could have some additional reinforcement on these themes.


by Satya on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 06:51:56 PM EST
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Re: Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan (none / 0)

Eagerly revelling in it over morning lattes.  This is the climax to a week of vindication for Obama's policies.  It feels almost like we are beating a puppy with a rolled up newspaper, I hope this narrative takes deep root.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 07:23:20 PM EST
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Re: Breaking News: Obama in Afghanistan (none / 0)

I hope.  It seems to me that the Sunday morning yak-fests on American TV love nothing more than a newly breaking story like this.  I hope they can run with it a while.

I just threw a quick diary up on it at OMS, but its mostly an echo chamber piece.  But I felt obligated to document this one for the archives.

I think I would like to collect bits of the Obama FP vindication in one place.  If you have any sources handy can you add a comment over at OMS?  I already have a few.


by Satya on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 07:40:33 PM EST
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Would be happy to oblige, have been collecting links for about a week, the Rahm and TPM ones above are the best so far for a comprehensive overview.  I have a few others on the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan I would be happy to provide when time permits.  

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/07/rahm-bush-and-m.html

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/20 4646.php

I have a sharp deadline with work early next week so am a bit pressed for time but would be happy to dive in soon, this issue isn't going away.  I promised you a diary soon, anyhow.

This story is changing so fast it is hard to keep up with it but is is definitely great stuff.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 08:50:19 PM EST
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Plenty of time on the diary.  I'm trying to get hold of an angle or two myself for something soon.

I grabbed your Jake Tapper link - that was excellent.

The pity is that Americans and the MSM are so ignorant about other countries that it takes major excitement to break into their consciousness.


by Satya on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:32:51 PM EST
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That an American presidential candidate is willing to travel abroad and visit the hotspots affecting US foreign policy, like Iraq, Aghanistan and - especially - Israel and Palestine, is commendable.
I think it is of vital importance for Obama to visit all these areas and get first hand knowledge and impressions.
Regarding his security in Occupied Palestine, I think that the Palestinian people are looking forward to having a president who is prepared to be even handed. Of course the Palestinians will welcome him with their great hospitality - as I have experienced so often - and will be eager to show him around the Westbank and give him a good impression of what it is like to live under occupation.
Of course he should visit both Israel and Palestine. Security is of course a serious issue, but we should not exaggerate the risks.
It would be a sad day if American political leaders would stop travelling abroad to potentially dangerous areas, purely because of the security risk.
Obama/Biden 08
by W126 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:48:15 AM EST

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Here ya go
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la- na-obamatrip20-2008jul20,0,7459732.story
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:59:52 AM EST

Afghanistan first is smart (2.00 / 1)

I'm glad he's going to Afghanistan first. He can hear from generals on the ground about how grave the situation is, reinforcing his plan to put troops there.

Then, when he travels to Iraq, he'll hear from Maliki and others that it is safe to start moving troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. Maliki backs Obama's timetable and Obama can reassure Petreaus that he'll remove troops with care.


by elrod on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:29:33 AM EST


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