If oil prices decline further, Obama is in trouble

The economy is the top issue in Americans' minds right now, and the #1 factor in deciding for whom to vote in November.

Cruel as it may sound, Obama would benefit greatly if gas prices continue to climb to the point that Americans cannot afford it. Unfortunately, said prices have tubled $16 the past week.

As we all know, Americans associate McCain with George W. Bush. The former voted with the latter approximately 90% of the time last year, if I'm not mistaken. Americans also have the false impression that the president of the United States has control over the price of crude, when in fact, this is barely true.

And if oil prices deline, the American voter will believe Bush, and by extension McCain, did it.



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Obama is in trouble (1.20 / 5)

Obama in trouble regardless of price of oil. Ask him about FISA...


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:27:05 PM EST

Re: Obama is in trouble (2.00 / 2)

I love you.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:28:05 PM EST
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Re: Obama is in trouble (1.66 / 6)

keep you love for yourself or send money to Hillary


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:33:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is in trouble (2.00 / 2)

ask John McCain about FISA


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:39:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Where have you been, beloved engels? (2.00 / 11)

You've spurned my affections thus far, but you will succumb to my charms in time. I do not give my love freely, but your bewitching eloquence has won my heart; such subtle yet enchanting seduction I have rarely known. Your teasing enthralls me and leaves me hoping, imagining, wondering. You need only attend to me, and I will teach you desire of both the flesh and the soul.

With fire and ardor I shall melt your resolve, and my love will dazzle you.

I will wait for you, darling.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:56:00 PM EST
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wowser sricki! (2.00 / 5)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:59:37 PM EST
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Hey, what can I say? (2.00 / 5)

Engels does strange and wondrous things to me.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:01:34 AM EST
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i can see that... (2.00 / 5)

im a little jealous.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:06:41 AM EST
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Re: i can see that... (2.00 / 6)

Everyone is jealous of engels. I know I am. ;)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:10:41 AM EST
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Re: i can see that... (2.00 / 5)

Did I just miss the lovable engels? Darn it!

How unlucky can a guy be!


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:48:01 AM EST
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Re: i can see that... (2.00 / 4)

Ok.
Ya'll need to stop!!
The thought of your jealousy made me have to loosen my tie even further!
MYDDXXX
lol
:)
by Kysen on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:36:34 AM EST
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Re: wowser sricki! (2.00 / 3)

No kidding!
I had to loosen my tie!
;)
by Kysen on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:34:59 AM EST
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Oh really? (2.00 / 3)

Are you as smitten with engels as I am?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:24 AM EST
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Re: Oh really? (2.00 / 4)

Smitten with engels?
Heck no!
After the latter part of that comment of yours...I want to be engels!!
lol

by Kysen on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:01:10 AM EST
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Get in line n/t (2.00 / 2)


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:28:46 AM EST
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Dayum! I need a cold shower! LOL! (2.00 / 3)

And, I'm jealous, Sricki. You never responded to my comments like that...


by bobswern on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:29:45 AM EST
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Re: Where have you been, beloved engels? (2.00 / 3)

That. Is. Priceless.


by Skaje on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:13:43 AM EST
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engels. (2.00 / 4)

regardless of the content of your posts.  every time i see a comment of yours with that sig line - i crack up.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:56:39 PM EST
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Re: engels. (2.00 / 4)

Seriously. It always brings a smile to my face.

ALWAYS.

I love engels, the holding on sweetie!


Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!
by spacemanspiff on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:57:45 AM EST
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Re: Obama is in trouble (2.00 / 3)

I did send money to Hillary, but we still love you.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:43:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama is in trouble (none / 0)

Go away troll... you are not welcome here.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:47:18 PM EST
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Watch out, Engels has some protection here.... (2.00 / 3)

Hope that was directed at the diarist, cause the Englels fan club will protect our favorite Socialist for McCain to the death!


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:46:43 AM EST
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how predictable....... (none / 0)


-7.33, -3.35 The song that best describes life
by drache on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:59:38 AM EST
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Re: Obama is in trouble (2.00 / 3)

2'd only so everyone can see sricki's hilarious love letter.  Then I felt dirty so I dropped a zero on engel's other comment.


by Skaje on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:13:02 AM EST
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Re: Obama is in trouble (2.00 / 4)

Concise, pithy, to-the-point!  If that ain't the essence of The engels, I don't know what is.  

What is?


A drink whenever Palin makes a Well-argued, Semantically Intact, Logical and Lucid Argument -- or WASILLA for short.
by January 20 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 07:53:33 AM EST
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Re: Obama is in trouble (none / 0)

love your tag line engels -but speaking truth to these guys is dangerous.

And has anyone heard anything from Obama about the curtailing of birth control by the Bush administration?

I thought not.


by Bornagaindem on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:16:26 AM EST
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asdf (2.00 / 2)

Keep your fingers crossed.

I'm still laughing at your thinking Iraq was in Europe.


I have that readiness.
by Jess81 on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:27:40 PM EST

Or.... (2.00 / 1)

The economy might still kinda suck. In the market, nothing goes down, down, down, down, it goes down, down, up, down. Have no fear, soon enough there'll be some insane news to make it go back up.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:30:40 PM EST

Re: Or.... (none / 0)

Meanwhile, the price of gas is probably NOT going to drop back under $3.50 a gallon at the very least, and while that will be nice, it doesn't go anywhere near solving the problems in the economy. It won't suddenly produce new jobs, it won't fix the outsourcing of our economy, it won't pay off the unimaginable deficit.

Obama's still running on healthcare, still running on middle class tax cuts, still running on all sorts of stuff. If you make less than 250,000 / year as an individual, you're probably going to be okay.


"Tell me about your work ethic." "Well, I don't think ethnics do no work. I mean, that's they problem, really." "Overt racial prejudice. Impressive."
by vcalzone on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:34:01 PM EST
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disagree (none / 0)

Actually if gas prices drop a dollar a gallon, it might make the drilling issue less pressing, which actually helps.  The economy will be flat
pretty much until the election.
by esconded on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:31:09 PM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (none / 0)

the drilling issue is a problem for all democrats.  It sounds easy and simple, exactly the kind of approach Republicans love to use to bludgeon us to death with.

In regards to whether a drop in oil prices hurts Obama, you can kiss my butt.  I could care less whether it hurts him or not, I am spending tons of cash getting to work each month and my personal life is more important than one particular issue with voters.  


by Xris on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:34:02 PM EST

Nope (2.00 / 1)

Oil prices dropping hurt the drill-happy Republicans.  Our economic woes are rooted in issues deeper than gas prices.  If Gas was still $1/gallon we'd still be in this foreclosures mess with financial institutions facing liquidity problems.


by Homebrewer on Fri Jul 18, 2008 at 11:42:44 PM EST

Look at the market value of your house (2.00 / 3)

It's, on average, 21%-22% less than it was 18-24 monrhs ago, based upon national averages.

That has virtually nothing to do with the price of oil.

The price of oil--this year--has much more to do with market manipulation (commodities trades, etc.) and the devaluation of the dollar than anything else.

Supply will be outstripping demand, officially, during the next President's four-year term (the general CW says this will occur around 2011 or 2012). But, truth be told, increased demand is just a small portion of why prices are so high right now.

The far, far, far bigger problems with the economy, and our family budgets relate to:
-- the rapidly rising cost-of-living, in general (not just as it relates to the price of a gallon of gas),
-- the devaluation of the average American's net worth,
-- the overall (totally legitimate) lack of confidence in this country's financial health (around the world), which has been--and will continue to be--reflected in the higher and higher interest our country will be paying on our national debt in coming months and years,
-- the failure of our "free market," laissez faire market philosophy over the past 3+/- decades (someone forgot to remind the folks in power that "free market" didn't mean zero regulation),
-- the mortgage crisis, which has now spread worldwide (the rest of the developed world owns as much, if not more of our mortgage-backed-bonds than we do, here in the U.S.), and which is now deeply affecting other credit vehicles,
-- the decline of America's automotive industry, to the point of it sinking into oblivion before our very eyes,
-- and many other factors--too many to get into in any detail in a diary coment.

General concept here is: the cost of a gallon of gas really hasn't been as big a factor in our country's financial mess as most would have us believe. It will become more of a factor over the next few years. And, it may be what the typical voter's pointing to in terms of their disgust and skepticism. But, that's really more of a perception issue than anything else. And, yes, politics IS perception.

But, once most Americans get a clue that they're "upside down" in their house (they owe more than it's worth), they're not going to be happy campers...even if gas is only $3.50 a gallon.


by bobswern on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:09:20 AM EST

Re: Look at the market value of your house (2.00 / 3)

But just back to your market manipulation comment for a moment, with which I am in perfect agreement, I wonder how many people realise that the energy market deregulation which made Enron possible is the single most compelling enabler of the futures speculation which has recently inflated the price of light crude so dramatically.  Or that the same hedge funds which are doing their collective na-nas over sub-prime mortgage CDO's are the ones motivated to recoup their losses in the energy commodities futures markets.

What happened to regulation of capitalist enterprise as a cornerstone of the progressive ideal of greatest good for the most citizens?  We have lost the plot on this one.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:27:47 AM EST
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Not likely (2.00 / 1)

The only way it would hurt Obama is if Bush and McCain were stupid enough to claim that oil went down because Bush signed an executive order lifting offshore ban. Of course, no financial analyst has attributed the drop to that. All have agreed that lowered demand has caused prices to drop. But if Bush/McCain tried to take credit for the drop - and people believe it - then Obama would be in a bit of trouble.

The drop in oil, however, actually helps Obama by taking drilling off the agenda.

The real issue is speculators and the Democrats HAVE to push for a bill against that.


by elrod on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:15:41 AM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (2.00 / 2)

Oil prices always go down when:

a) Americans cut back on consumption
or
b) Americans get serious about alternative energy.

(They also drop before an election, but that drop is a few months away.)


by Susan from 29 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:19:17 AM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (2.00 / 2)

In this instance, I'm guessing, oil prices go down when futures market speculators who have already made a considerable profit start hedging their bets with short sells to protect their positions.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:52:23 AM EST
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Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (none / 0)

And the prospect that Congress is considering oversight and regulation of such short selling in the energy market.


by Susan from 29 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 03:25:51 PM EST
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Thanks for your "concern" (2.00 / 1)


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:26:25 AM EST

Incredibly shortsighted memory! (2.00 / 1)

"Prices have tumbled $16..."

...to what they were just seven or eight weeks ago at the end of freakin' MAY!

Yea! "Such a bargain." $130/barrel oil?

Think $200/barrel oil within the next 6-24 months. Per-gallon prices approaching $6 here in the U.S.

Gas will be at the equivalent of $10.50/gallon in Great Britain (over the next few weeks, if it isn't  already).


by bobswern on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:34:54 AM EST
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OH NOEZ OBAMA IS TEH DOOMED (none / 0)

Seriously, gas prices are not the centerpiece of his candidacy. This is trolling at its finest. The meme is set and America blames Bush for the current crisis. I seriously doubt the accidental President will now of all times manage to connect two brain cells and stumble his way out of this spotlight.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:17:45 AM EST
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Re: Thanks for your "concern" (2.00 / 2)

Just Say No to Turkey Eating Trolls!
er....something like that...
by Kysen on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 12:39:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I think it means don't feed the trolls (none / 0)

Trolls eat turkey, though? Who would have thought.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:18:30 AM EST
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so in another words (none / 0)

you are concerned that 1 thing might hurt Obama?

Never mind our economy is free falling fast and that's not going to change.

If anything I hope gas doesn't change so that people get off thier  asses and get motivated to get off of oil.

I'm less concerned that it's going to hurt Obama becuase well if you accept Bush and company got those prices lowered then you also have to accept it was thier stupidity that got prices up in teh first place.


-7.33, -3.35 The song that best describes life
by drache on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:02:49 AM EST

Re: so in another words (none / 0)

If gas prices go down, people have more money to spend in other things. Let's not be in denial.


by kingsbridge77 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:09:27 AM EST
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yes let's not (none / 0)

because it's going to take more then gas prices changing to fix the economy.

sure it's important but not the root cause.

Moreover gas prices won't be changing much for a while as the gas stations need time to recover losses


-7.33, -3.35 The song that best describes life
by drache on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:21:25 PM EST
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Gas Prices (none / 0)

are not going to plummet back to $3 a gallon before November

maybe after if there truly is an energy bubble, but not before


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 10:58:55 PM EST
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Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (none / 0)

Gas. Movements. My Ass. PU.

Anyone up for a game of "Password"?


by QTG on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:14:01 AM EST

My first guess (none / 0)

TROLL DIARY

Is that it?


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:21:49 AM EST
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Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (none / 0)

I'm rooting for down, down and nothing but down. I've got a cross country and back trek upcoming.

This is an ingrained and deserved reputation on the economy that the GOP has forged. No one is going to consider gas prices low if they drop a dollar per gallon. Hell, I remember paying $2.81 less than six months ago in Miami.

Even in '06 approaching the midterm and with Iraq at its worst, Bush' approval ratings on the economy were lower than his approval numbers on Iraq. I posted that many times. We blew it in '06 by not focusing more on the economy. Iraq was already built into the poll numbers and we might have salvaged some of the narrowly lost House seats with more economic emphasis.

Now, just imagine the economic realities since November '06. Does anyone seriously believe a drop in gas prices can overcome soaring food prices, plummeting home values, etc.? Republicans can't get off the hook on this one.


by Gary Kilbride on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:38:14 AM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (none / 0)

We blew it in '06?
How exactly?
ENOUGH!
by JDF on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:07:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your "concern" has been noted... (none / 0)

and filed in the proper place.


by Beren on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 05:00:51 AM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (none / 0)

A drop in oil prices is a net for Obama. No more drilling!


Obama/Biden 08
by W126 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 08:08:59 AM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, (none / 0)

I love the economic expertise apparent in this diary. Oil may have dropped $16 in the past week but it's doubled in the past 18 months even at today's prices. Even if the price stays in the mid 130's which itself is highly debatable the impact, much of which hasn't really been felt yet, think heating oil, will remain cathartic. This is a very dumb diary.      


by ottovbvs on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:15:31 AM EST

They'd have to decline quite a bit. (none / 0)

People's memories aren't that short term but guarantee they'll go down right before the election.  The oil companies and media will  say it's market influences but it seems to go down that time every two and most especially every 4 years when the repubs are running things.


by laternighter on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:43:25 AM EST

Re:decline of kingsbridge (none / 0)

If Bush removes all troops from Iraq before November... Obama is in trouble.

If Bush pushes through Universal Heath Care before November...Obama is in trouble.

If kingsbridge quits watching FOX...Obama is in trouble


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:54:44 AM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (none / 0)

Au contraire, Obama can claim he did it because he voted for the Cheney energy bill.

Of course if any of you were democrats you would be upset about that vote. Oops I forgot I am not allowed to point out the great ones short comings


by Bornagaindem on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:20:23 AM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, Obama is in tro (2.00 / 1)

"Oops I forgot I am not allowed to point out the great ones short comings"

Have you been doing anything else? As in EVER? Pointing out shortcomings and falsely claiming you're not allowed to point out shortcomings are pretty much the only two things I've ever seen you do.


by Aris Katsaris2 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:11:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We know that McCain is supposed (none / 0)

to be Bush III. But what about Obama? What percentage of the time did he vote for/against Bush?  What has he filibustered? What has he made a great floor speech against? What has he even made a statement to the press and caused a big stink about?


by georgiapeach on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:49:45 AM EST

Re: We know that McCain is supposed (none / 0)

Well if you love woman being slaves in the workplace and earning far less than their male counterparts, and you want to hear sexist jokes for 4 years by all means vote for McBush, MsWhiner..


by Spanky on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:45:12 PM EST
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Guess what McSmartass (none / 0)

I don't have any intention of voting for McCain, or any other damned Republican. What I am looking for is a reason to vote for your guy, other than the fact that he has a D by his name. Because thanks to snot-nosed little brats like you, that is no longer enough for me. I have proudly voted a straight Democratic ticket for over 30 years, but if you and others like you are the "new coalition of Democratic voters" that Donna Brazille is so proud of, I don't think I want any part of it. And before you get around to calling me a racist, I'm seriously considering voting for Cynthia McKinney.


by georgiapeach on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 01:33:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well Iraq (none / 0)

for one thing.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 11:03:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I disagree (none / 0)

No way oil prices are going that far down.And frankly, the prices are killing me.


by ann0nymous on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 01:45:30 PM EST

Re: If oil prices decline further, (none / 0)

Thank you for your concern.  We will keep this thought in mind and come up with a plan to hijack all oil companies and tell them to hike their prices or we will stop buying their crude.  I know if we plan real hard we will overcome.  LOL.  I am sure the oil companies will be back in busness hiking their prices in no time.  Look for this during labor day when people want to travel the most.  That is usually how the game is played.  Greed is something that cannot be overcome.


by Spanky on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:42:53 PM EST


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